I didn't want to just do an edit to my blog this time, because what I've seen this time is unbelievably stupid, and felt this deserved it's own blog post because of that. As if the Conservative bias on the site by some of the users wasn't already bad enough, it has, if anything, increased since I last talked about the site (so it's not just DolFan316, and I may have been wrong about him being the biggest Conservative guy, but he's still the dumbest, particularly for trusting what a user named ChubbyRain said about IMDB just because he was the guy who said it, which means he'll trust anything he says). I've looked through several pages recently and saw even more incredible stupidity, worse stupidity than what I normally see or hear. Some of it is so stupid it literally hurts, such as the more extremely Conservative members bitching and moaning about being censored on the site by the "Liberals" running the site or whatever. Obviously, since their bull shit is still there from what I can tell, then they're not being censored, and if they are, I'm sure it's for a reason, mainly because these guys seem to be so bad at arguing that they don't seem to care about any viewpoint too far from their own and immediately dismiss it. But the worst page that I've seen is this one right here: http://www.bonethefish.com/viewtopics.php?789&page=1
I must reiterate again, I am not a big fan of Obama, but he is not at all comparable to Hitler. Neither was Bush, but even that made more sense since they were both Right-Wing Authoritarians (Obama is a Left-Winger), but those comparisons still don't work. Stalin would make more sense in comparison to Obama, but even that's pushing it pretty far. Anyway, I do agree with the reason given about how he's dealing with taxes. That's obviously a stupid idea that he had. I also don't think sending more troops overseas was the best idea, either. If anything, we have terrorists here, and we need to deal with them right now, if anything, not the ones overseas.
But a lot of the other stuff on this page, not just in the comments, but the reasons, is fucking ridiculous. Even the top reason is stupid, because that wasn't even Obama's decision (although he did accept it). But seriously, gays in the military? Fuck, that's the choice with the second highest number of votes, which proves even more how fucking biased the people on this site are. What is the problem with gays in the military? It limits people's rights. You can be openly straight in the military, but not gay (unless you're closeted)? There's obviously something wrong with that. But people are concerned in the first place because they believe a straight person is going to have his personal space interfered with if a gay person tries to come on to the straight person. You know, like they're sexual deviants who are always horny, and straight people aren't. If you're even somewhat smart, you can figure out why this is incredibly fucking moronic (like The Onion, who wrote a great satirical article here: http://www.theonion.com/articles/repeal-of-dont-ask-dont-tell-paves-way-for-gay-sex,17698/). And quite frankly, I'm offended that option is even a choice that can be made on the site, since people like me might want to go there in the first place, but it has one hundred and fifty three votes. That's fucking insane.
And then there's issue with Fox News. Do I think it's ultimately appropriate for the Obama administration to go after Fox News like that? Not really. However, I'm giving them leeway on this because they simply stated that Fox News isn't a news network and shouldn't be trusted. And they're right. I don't normally trust or agree with anything or everything the government says to the public, but they are absolutely right about this. Fox News, and this is evident if you watch their network, is ultimately a propaganda network (for the most part, at least) successfully getting their viewpoints out to the public at large, and this is evident by the fact that they tend to associate themselves with various things fitting their viewpoints, most notably the Tea Party movement, otherwise known as the Tea Bagger's movement (love that name). News networks do not and should not do that (unless it's a legitimate charity or something). If one of them does, it should be questioned for sure.
Speaking of which, I know MSNBC isn't the best news network to be watching, either, so I don't. Well, except for Rachel Maddow, she's awesome, because she's calm, rational and logical, and even admits when she makes mistakes. But even if you were to call that network biased, which it definitely can be, it's bias is nowhere near the level of Fox News, and it's quite apparent whenever you talk to someone who actually watches the network. If you watch the network and talk or argue with a couple of people who watch it, it'll be obvious to you just how bad the bias is and how it's influencing the people, especially since it's the most watched news network out of the three major news networks (source removed; dead link). It'll even be obvious when the person you're talking to watches Fox News. Best way to recognize it is if the people you're talking to are talking like these dickheads on Bone the Fish.
And I hope to something that they're not the ones that run the site. That's the only thing keeping me from going there. That and the high amount of people against gays being in the military, which isn't a good sign. So until more people come in to correct the balance of viewpoints, or once these fuckers finally stop going to the site, that's when I might join. Otherwise, I'm staying far away from the place at the moment, other than just looking at the votes and stuff.
And if you look at the TVTropes page, it seems they're still trying to get the word out about their site, despite the fact that their website is featured on the Jumping the Shark page on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_Shark). Seriously, they're still lacking in members (or at least people posting) even after being featured on a page on Wikipedia, which I'm sure is seen fairly often since "Jumping the Shark" is a popular term. So, considering you still are lacking in activity despite being featured on Wikipedia, here's some advice, guys: stop with your opinionated, brainwashed (I can easily tell you are), extremely Conservative bull shit, or at least tone it way down. Also, stop acting like what you're saying is gospel or true. It's quite obvious to me and everyone else I know who has seen the site (I've shown it to them, and it's a fairly large group of people even including soft Conservatives) that people like you, the ultra Conservatives, are the site's biggest cancer by a long shot, and that we and many others would join if that element wasn't present otherwise. If you take my advice to heart, I'm sure you'll get more members.
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And I figured I'd mention this since I've been talking about forums and stuff. For a short while, my girlfriend and I went to the site Retro Junk and posted a bit there. It's not a bad site, but we ultimately left because of the number of trolls there (that's why my girlfriend left, since she hates dealing with that shit at all) and the shape of the forum in general. Seriously, it's quite a mess, and keeping up with it all can be a bit aggravating and confusing, mostly because of the large number of boards there. So if any members there are reading this, that's why we left. Otherwise, most of you were cool people, and the site has great content otherwise, so my girlfriend and I still keep track of the articles and stuff. But it's just not really worth being an active member there. So basically, if you're new to Retro Junk, don't join unless you want to become active and write articles and all of that, but I'd still recommend the site just for the amount of content alone and the quality (at least for the most part) of the site. So, Retro Junk, reorganize the site and crack down harder on the trolls, and we may return, and you may also grab more members in the process.
Tuesday, June 8, 2010
Thursday, September 3, 2009
Bone the Fish/Rant on Conservatism
http://www.bonethefish.com/
Bone the Fish is actually an interesting website that talks about "jump the shark" moments, not just in TV shows, but also movies, celebrities, and even random stuff, like sports teams and businesses.
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That's all that I was basically going to post, but I noticed one major problem, and I feel like posting about it because it needs to be said by somebody. At first, I thought most everyone on the site was an idiot. The reason was because I kept seeing an extreme Conservative bias (which isn't hard to spot) in some of the reasons shows were disliked, and the like. For several shows, I'd see a reason for a show jumping the shark, "Liberal agenda" or some shit like that. First off, that's not a jump the shark moment, that's just some guy who disagrees with the views on the show. Second, some of the shows with a so-called "Liberal bias" really don't have one, and if they do, you can easily tell that it's light to the point where it shouldn't automatically ruin a show, especially if the show has other merits that far outweigh any shortcomings, and I don't consider a sometimes nonexistent "Liberal bias" a shortcoming.
However, I later learned that it was just a few incredibly stupid users, one of particular note being a member named DolFan316, though he's certainly not the only one. I picked him because he, at least from what I've read, was the most outspoken and the overall dumbest of them all. Also, he seems to be responsible for most of the Conservative bias in the reasons a show jumped the shark or sucked because he often comments on the shows that list them. Just read some of this guy's/girl's responses:
http://www.bonethefish.com/viewuser.php?198
You can tell that he has his head shoved so far up Conservatism's ass he can barely see or hear anything else from inside. He constantly complains of Liberal biases and that Liberals are sheep. This is ironic considering Liberals think the same thing of Conservatives. It's immature, really. I don't consider myself either one, but I do lean more towards Liberalism considering Conservatism is a lot more freedom-limiting. Hell, I more than have the right to hate Conservatives: they and Christians are the reason I can't get married, and they're both often synonymous with each other. For this guy, it seems to be no different.
But that's not all of my bad experience with Conservatives. I have never seen or overheard a Conservative change his/her mind about much of anything. In fact, I often hear them going to extremes by saying ridiculous bullshit just to try and keep the argument going, and they usually do this when they show (sometimes even quite small) signs that they're losing. For example (and I'm basing this on an argument that I've heard before, but there were many more quotes similar to it), if you argue with a conservative Christian, and prove to them that the Bible promotes rape (especially to women, because the Bible is also quite misogynistic), they might say something like, "That's for women who sin. It doesn't advocate raping innocent women. Women who have sinned deserve to be raped." This is obviously ridiculous. I am a woman, so I would be deeply offended if someone actually said this, partly because their view of what a sin is and isn't is ambiguous (which means if that person thought being gay is a sin, then I would apparently deserve to be raped), but mostly because rape shouldn't be condoned fucking ever.
Of course, because of this, I've never met a Conservative that knew how to argue well, but nonetheless are often ignorant and continue to believe in stuff that's "inconvenient" for them to believe in, even if what they argue for has been proven 100% false. It's like some kind of drug affecting a stimulus in their brain and they have a hard time quitting. It's not a good knowledge-seeking way to think and argue. I am a knowledge-seeker, so when I admit that I'm wrong, I often take that as a learning experience. The Conservatives I've seen don't do that. They're so ingrained with being right (no pun intended) that they'll even manipulate they're own opinions just for the chance at winning the argument instead of ultimately being right (again, no pun intended).
But getting back to DolFan316, here's my favorite quote of his, posted on the topic "Political Correctness":
"Political correctness is the biggest threat to free speech America has ever faced. It's straight out of George Orwell's 1984 novel. And it was invented by liberals!"
That's my favorite quote because it's so fucking misguided, and it proves just how incredibly brainwashed he is. It made me laugh so hard I was literally rolling on the floor laughing. Why was I laughing, though? It's because this guy doesn't get the point of 1984. If anything, George Orwell considered himself a Democratic Socialist, and Democratic Socialists are people that Conservatives usually don't like. This is ironic, considering this Conservative in particular is quoting a book by a Democratic Socialist to try and support what the novel was initially against: Totalitarianism and Fascism.
Besides that, he's just pulling that "Political Correctness was invented by Liberals" bullshit out of his ass. I don't know who it was really invented by, but he obviously doesn't know, either.
Lastly, DolFan316 apparently really likes Sean Hannity. Sean...Fucking...Hannity! Seriously, 'Nuff said.
P.S. I figured out he has a YouTube account. Two comments claimed he was an asshole, one gave a reason, one didn't. The one that gave a reason said that he commented rudely on someone's misspelling.
I'm honestly not surprised.
P.S.S. I also wanted to show a ripoff of Wikipedia called Conservapedia. It's been criticized by almost everybody except for some Conservatives themselves. If you read some of the shit on the site, you'll quickly see why.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page
Here are excerpts from Wikipedia on Conservapedia:
Bone the Fish is actually an interesting website that talks about "jump the shark" moments, not just in TV shows, but also movies, celebrities, and even random stuff, like sports teams and businesses.
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That's all that I was basically going to post, but I noticed one major problem, and I feel like posting about it because it needs to be said by somebody. At first, I thought most everyone on the site was an idiot. The reason was because I kept seeing an extreme Conservative bias (which isn't hard to spot) in some of the reasons shows were disliked, and the like. For several shows, I'd see a reason for a show jumping the shark, "Liberal agenda" or some shit like that. First off, that's not a jump the shark moment, that's just some guy who disagrees with the views on the show. Second, some of the shows with a so-called "Liberal bias" really don't have one, and if they do, you can easily tell that it's light to the point where it shouldn't automatically ruin a show, especially if the show has other merits that far outweigh any shortcomings, and I don't consider a sometimes nonexistent "Liberal bias" a shortcoming.
However, I later learned that it was just a few incredibly stupid users, one of particular note being a member named DolFan316, though he's certainly not the only one. I picked him because he, at least from what I've read, was the most outspoken and the overall dumbest of them all. Also, he seems to be responsible for most of the Conservative bias in the reasons a show jumped the shark or sucked because he often comments on the shows that list them. Just read some of this guy's/girl's responses:
http://www.bonethefish.com/viewuser.php?198
You can tell that he has his head shoved so far up Conservatism's ass he can barely see or hear anything else from inside. He constantly complains of Liberal biases and that Liberals are sheep. This is ironic considering Liberals think the same thing of Conservatives. It's immature, really. I don't consider myself either one, but I do lean more towards Liberalism considering Conservatism is a lot more freedom-limiting. Hell, I more than have the right to hate Conservatives: they and Christians are the reason I can't get married, and they're both often synonymous with each other. For this guy, it seems to be no different.
But that's not all of my bad experience with Conservatives. I have never seen or overheard a Conservative change his/her mind about much of anything. In fact, I often hear them going to extremes by saying ridiculous bullshit just to try and keep the argument going, and they usually do this when they show (sometimes even quite small) signs that they're losing. For example (and I'm basing this on an argument that I've heard before, but there were many more quotes similar to it), if you argue with a conservative Christian, and prove to them that the Bible promotes rape (especially to women, because the Bible is also quite misogynistic), they might say something like, "That's for women who sin. It doesn't advocate raping innocent women. Women who have sinned deserve to be raped." This is obviously ridiculous. I am a woman, so I would be deeply offended if someone actually said this, partly because their view of what a sin is and isn't is ambiguous (which means if that person thought being gay is a sin, then I would apparently deserve to be raped), but mostly because rape shouldn't be condoned fucking ever.
Of course, because of this, I've never met a Conservative that knew how to argue well, but nonetheless are often ignorant and continue to believe in stuff that's "inconvenient" for them to believe in, even if what they argue for has been proven 100% false. It's like some kind of drug affecting a stimulus in their brain and they have a hard time quitting. It's not a good knowledge-seeking way to think and argue. I am a knowledge-seeker, so when I admit that I'm wrong, I often take that as a learning experience. The Conservatives I've seen don't do that. They're so ingrained with being right (no pun intended) that they'll even manipulate they're own opinions just for the chance at winning the argument instead of ultimately being right (again, no pun intended).
But getting back to DolFan316, here's my favorite quote of his, posted on the topic "Political Correctness":
"Political correctness is the biggest threat to free speech America has ever faced. It's straight out of George Orwell's 1984 novel. And it was invented by liberals!"
That's my favorite quote because it's so fucking misguided, and it proves just how incredibly brainwashed he is. It made me laugh so hard I was literally rolling on the floor laughing. Why was I laughing, though? It's because this guy doesn't get the point of 1984. If anything, George Orwell considered himself a Democratic Socialist, and Democratic Socialists are people that Conservatives usually don't like. This is ironic, considering this Conservative in particular is quoting a book by a Democratic Socialist to try and support what the novel was initially against: Totalitarianism and Fascism.
Besides that, he's just pulling that "Political Correctness was invented by Liberals" bullshit out of his ass. I don't know who it was really invented by, but he obviously doesn't know, either.
Lastly, DolFan316 apparently really likes Sean Hannity. Sean...Fucking...Hannity! Seriously, 'Nuff said.
P.S. I figured out he has a YouTube account. Two comments claimed he was an asshole, one gave a reason, one didn't. The one that gave a reason said that he commented rudely on someone's misspelling.
I'm honestly not surprised.
P.S.S. I also wanted to show a ripoff of Wikipedia called Conservapedia. It's been criticized by almost everybody except for some Conservatives themselves. If you read some of the shit on the site, you'll quickly see why.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page
Here are excerpts from Wikipedia on Conservapedia:
Peter Lipson
In April 2007, Peter Lipson, a doctor of internal medicine, attempted to edit the article on breast cancer to include evidence against Conservapedia's statement naming abortion as a major cause of the disease, but found his medical credentials being questioned by Schlafly and other Conservapedia administrators, all of whom ended the debate by deleting Lipson's edits and blocking Lipson's account. Several editors, including Lipson, started another website, RationalWiki, which offers criticism of and satirical articles about Conservapedia, its administrators, and the Conservative Christian viewpoint which it promotes. According to an article published in the LA Times in 2007, "From there, they (Lipson and his fellow editors) monitor Conservapedia. And—by their own admission—engage in acts of cyber-vandalism."
Lenski dialogue
On June 9, 2008, New Scientist published an article describing Richard Lenski's 20-year E. coli experiment, which observed that bacteria evolve the ability to metabolize citrate—a rare and complex mutation. Schlafly contacted Lenski to request the data. Lenski explained that the relevant data was in the paper and that Schlafly fundamentally misunderstood it. Schlafly wrote again and requested the raw data. Lenski replied again that the relevant data was already in the paper, that the "raw data" were living bacterial samples, which he would willingly share with qualified researchers at properly equipped biology labs, and that he felt insulted by letters and comments on Conservapedia, which he saw as brusque and offensive, including claims of outright deceit. The exchange, recorded on a Conservapedia page called "Lenski dialog", was widely reported on news-aggregating sites and Web blogs. Carl Zimmer wrote that it was readily apparent that "Schlafly had not bothered to read [Lenski's paper] closely", and PZ Meyers criticized Schlafly for demanding data despite not having a plan to use it nor the expertise to analyze it. During and after the Lenski dialogue on Conservapedia several users on the site were blocked for "insubordination" for expressing disagreement with Schlafly's stance on the issue.
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